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		<title>Comment on Just In Case You Missed It&#8230; by John Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise, you should try to understand that Julian probably doesn&#039;t want to be forced to drink ( and bathe in) fluoridated water against his will.  Fluorosilicic acid is added to drinking water to treat people not make it safe to drink.

Lead and arsenic both occur naturally in drinking water.  The fact they occur naturally doesn&#039;t negate their toxicity and are therefore limited to 25 and ten parts per billion respectively in the 1998 Drinking Water Directive (lead comes down to 10 ppb in 2013).  Fluoride has never been proven essential for human health.  Fluoride compounds, in general, have a toxicity between lead and arsenic (Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, 5 Ed., Gosselin el al, 1984) and fluoridation would see fluoride added at 1,000 ppb! (1,000ppb = 1 part per million).

As far as tea is concerned you should look up - &quot;Endemic fluorosis in Hampshire man&quot;, Jnl of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry, 1966 (29) 577-583, to read about fluorosis caused by excessive consumption of this fluoride-rich beverage.

As far as the evidence for fluoridated water is concerned, the York Review (2000) was unable to identify one high-quality scientific study to support the efficacy or safety of fluoridated water.  On the basis of poor to moderate quality evidence water companies in England are doing to their customers what a doctor cannot do to an individual patient - medicate without consent.

If you have lived in fluoridated areas all your life (from birth) you should consider yourself fortunate not to have suffered dental fluorosis, about which Baroness Hayman said: &quot;We accept that dental fluorosis is a manifestation of systemic toxicity...&quot; (Lords Hansard, 20 April 1999).  Tea drinking and the use of a fluoride toothpaste would have added to your overall daily fluoride burden.

You would choose fluoridated water for your children.  As long as it is an informed choice I can respect that.  Those who reject fluoridation are not denying you or your children fluoride as it can easily be obtained from toothpastes, mouthwashes, tablets, dental floss and the good old British cuppa.  If someone wants fluoridated water instead of or on top of that they can make up their own by adding one x 1 mg tablet of sodium fluoride to 1 litre of unfluoridated water.

All I and many others would ask for is that you respect the informed choice of those who say NO to fluoride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise, you should try to understand that Julian probably doesn&#8217;t want to be forced to drink ( and bathe in) fluoridated water against his will.  Fluorosilicic acid is added to drinking water to treat people not make it safe to drink.</p>
<p>Lead and arsenic both occur naturally in drinking water.  The fact they occur naturally doesn&#8217;t negate their toxicity and are therefore limited to 25 and ten parts per billion respectively in the 1998 Drinking Water Directive (lead comes down to 10 ppb in 2013).  Fluoride has never been proven essential for human health.  Fluoride compounds, in general, have a toxicity between lead and arsenic (Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, 5 Ed., Gosselin el al, 1984) and fluoridation would see fluoride added at 1,000 ppb! (1,000ppb = 1 part per million).</p>
<p>As far as tea is concerned you should look up &#8211; &#8220;Endemic fluorosis in Hampshire man&#8221;, Jnl of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry, 1966 (29) 577-583, to read about fluorosis caused by excessive consumption of this fluoride-rich beverage.</p>
<p>As far as the evidence for fluoridated water is concerned, the York Review (2000) was unable to identify one high-quality scientific study to support the efficacy or safety of fluoridated water.  On the basis of poor to moderate quality evidence water companies in England are doing to their customers what a doctor cannot do to an individual patient &#8211; medicate without consent.</p>
<p>If you have lived in fluoridated areas all your life (from birth) you should consider yourself fortunate not to have suffered dental fluorosis, about which Baroness Hayman said: &#8220;We accept that dental fluorosis is a manifestation of systemic toxicity&#8230;&#8221; (Lords Hansard, 20 April 1999).  Tea drinking and the use of a fluoride toothpaste would have added to your overall daily fluoride burden.</p>
<p>You would choose fluoridated water for your children.  As long as it is an informed choice I can respect that.  Those who reject fluoridation are not denying you or your children fluoride as it can easily be obtained from toothpastes, mouthwashes, tablets, dental floss and the good old British cuppa.  If someone wants fluoridated water instead of or on top of that they can make up their own by adding one x 1 mg tablet of sodium fluoride to 1 litre of unfluoridated water.</p>
<p>All I and many others would ask for is that you respect the informed choice of those who say NO to fluoride.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just In Case You Missed It&#8230; by Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the original poster&#039;s comments unnecessarily aggressive. Dr Okoye was presumably asked to appear on BBC Breakfast to give her professional opinion because she is a highly respected member of the dental profession. I am sure they don&#039;t just pick people at random to &#039;spout off&#039; as he so offensively puts it.
As for &#039;toxic chemicals&#039;, the dictionary definition for &#039;chemical&#039; is as follows:
[kem-i-kuhl]
–noun
a substance produced by or used in a chemical process.

but also &#039;fluoride&#039; is defined as:
fluoride  [( floor -eyed, flawr -eyed)]

Any of a number of naturally occurring compounds of the element fluorine.

So how can fluoride be a &#039;toxic chemical&#039; if it is naturally occurring?
And as it is also found in tea, are we going to be accusing India and China of poisoning us all?

Yes, there has been extensive research into the effects of fluoride and as with any large scale investigation some studies show negative things and some show positive things. At the moment the positives far, far outweigh the negatives.

I&#039;ve lived in fluoridated areas all my life, I wasn&#039;t my choice, but have never had any ill effects from it, have never known of anyone having ill effects of it and have never had to have a filling.

I would rather my children drink fluoridated water than put them through the trauma of  a general anaesthetic to have teeth taken out, a far more dangerous option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the original poster&#8217;s comments unnecessarily aggressive. Dr Okoye was presumably asked to appear on BBC Breakfast to give her professional opinion because she is a highly respected member of the dental profession. I am sure they don&#8217;t just pick people at random to &#8216;spout off&#8217; as he so offensively puts it.<br />
As for &#8216;toxic chemicals&#8217;, the dictionary definition for &#8216;chemical&#8217; is as follows:<br />
[kem-i-kuhl]<br />
–noun<br />
a substance produced by or used in a chemical process.</p>
<p>but also &#8216;fluoride&#8217; is defined as:<br />
fluoride  [( floor -eyed, flawr -eyed)]</p>
<p>Any of a number of naturally occurring compounds of the element fluorine.</p>
<p>So how can fluoride be a &#8216;toxic chemical&#8217; if it is naturally occurring?<br />
And as it is also found in tea, are we going to be accusing India and China of poisoning us all?</p>
<p>Yes, there has been extensive research into the effects of fluoride and as with any large scale investigation some studies show negative things and some show positive things. At the moment the positives far, far outweigh the negatives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived in fluoridated areas all my life, I wasn&#8217;t my choice, but have never had any ill effects from it, have never known of anyone having ill effects of it and have never had to have a filling.</p>
<p>I would rather my children drink fluoridated water than put them through the trauma of  a general anaesthetic to have teeth taken out, a far more dangerous option.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just In Case You Missed It&#8230; by John Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Dr Okoye support the practise of water companies medicating their customers with fluoride when she wouldn&#039;t dream treating one of her patients without their indvidual, informed consent?

Definition of a medicine
&quot;Any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings&quot;
(EU Directive 2004/27EC)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Dr Okoye support the practise of water companies medicating their customers with fluoride when she wouldn&#8217;t dream treating one of her patients without their indvidual, informed consent?</p>
<p>Definition of a medicine<br />
&#8220;Any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings&#8221;<br />
(EU Directive 2004/27EC)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just In Case You Missed It&#8230; by Julian Defries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Defries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isabel - at least you had a choice. Forcing medicine on the entire population is morally wrong. Vitamin C is good for you but we dont want unaccountable quagos deciding that we must all be forced to take it. That is point in case here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isabel &#8211; at least you had a choice. Forcing medicine on the entire population is morally wrong. Vitamin C is good for you but we dont want unaccountable quagos deciding that we must all be forced to take it. That is point in case here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just In Case You Missed It&#8230; by isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I firmly agree with Dr Okoye&#039;s views on fluoride. I have 2 daughters and I used fluoride drops on my eldest when she was a baby until she was 2 yrs old, but did not do the same on my youngest ( I did start but became lax very early on). The evidence has been proved right as my eldest has very few fillings and my youngest is prone to tooth decay. I firmly blame myself for this.
This is the British government again digging their heels in and waiting before doing something about it - same issues with using amalgam as far as I can see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly agree with Dr Okoye&#8217;s views on fluoride. I have 2 daughters and I used fluoride drops on my eldest when she was a baby until she was 2 yrs old, but did not do the same on my youngest ( I did start but became lax very early on). The evidence has been proved right as my eldest has very few fillings and my youngest is prone to tooth decay. I firmly blame myself for this.<br />
This is the British government again digging their heels in and waiting before doing something about it &#8211; same issues with using amalgam as far as I can see!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just In Case You Missed It&#8230; by Julian Defries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Defries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Fluoride, Your &quot; No brainer&quot; comment on the BBC is an insult to the people of Hampshire, the British people and all the people who have researched this issue for years. Regardless of your views on fluoridation or your expertise in dentistry, the fact is that the people of Hampshire have decided against it. This is a democracy not Communist China!
The idea of an unelected body (SHA) making decisions about putting toxic chemicals into our water supply for medical reasons is abhorrent to anyone with a half a brain. I would suggest that you engage yours before spouting off on national telly next time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Fluoride, Your &#8221; No brainer&#8221; comment on the BBC is an insult to the people of Hampshire, the British people and all the people who have researched this issue for years. Regardless of your views on fluoridation or your expertise in dentistry, the fact is that the people of Hampshire have decided against it. This is a democracy not Communist China!<br />
The idea of an unelected body (SHA) making decisions about putting toxic chemicals into our water supply for medical reasons is abhorrent to anyone with a half a brain. I would suggest that you engage yours before spouting off on national telly next time!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Have Toothache!!! by Vivienne Heyhoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivienne Heyhoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a random comment. Of course you are paying good money for the service but as is often the case in life you may pay lots of money and end up with a hideous result. So for something as important as my teeth, I&#039;d probably be extremely grateful if the dentist did a good job. I&#039;m sure they don&#039;t actually expect to be given presents it&#039;s just that I&#039;d happily give one if they did an exceptional job and I would most certainly put Uchenna in that category!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a random comment. Of course you are paying good money for the service but as is often the case in life you may pay lots of money and end up with a hideous result. So for something as important as my teeth, I&#8217;d probably be extremely grateful if the dentist did a good job. I&#8217;m sure they don&#8217;t actually expect to be given presents it&#8217;s just that I&#8217;d happily give one if they did an exceptional job and I would most certainly put Uchenna in that category!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t Sweat The Small Stuff! by Vivienne Heyhoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivienne Heyhoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never knew a blog about teeth could be so entertaining!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never knew a blog about teeth could be so entertaining!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Have Toothache!!! by Abhishek from Dental Marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhishek from Dental Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha! Someone rightly said, doctors make the worst patients!

I am sure, the thought of treating another dentist as your patient, must fill you with dread! They would whinge &amp; whine about every little thing and their treatment would take double the normal time.

BTW, Uchenna, do you really expect patients to pay you those expensive fees &amp; give you gifts!!!

It should be the other way round, the dentists should give the patient a gift, for giving them thousands of pounds!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha! Someone rightly said, doctors make the worst patients!</p>
<p>I am sure, the thought of treating another dentist as your patient, must fill you with dread! They would whinge &amp; whine about every little thing and their treatment would take double the normal time.</p>
<p>BTW, Uchenna, do you really expect patients to pay you those expensive fees &amp; give you gifts!!!</p>
<p>It should be the other way round, the dentists should give the patient a gift, for giving them thousands of pounds!<br />
 <img src='http://www.londonsmiling.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Teeth That Saved The World by uchenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>uchenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the lovely comments
Yes he did get a knighthood...yes I am still waiting :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the lovely comments<br />
Yes he did get a knighthood&#8230;yes I am still waiting <img src='http://www.londonsmiling.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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